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Women in the Martial Arts

12/14/2007 · 10 Comments

I’ve trained with women in the Army, when I was with the department of corrections, and now in taekwondo. Unfortunately there still seems to be a gender stereotype that women are the weaker sex. Indeed, Bill Wallace received a lot of flak for writing an article in Black Belt Magazine that suggested this. Though I’m unable to find a reference to the article online, you can read it in his book titled The Best of Bill Wallace.

The gist of what Wallace was trying to say is this: Given the right circumstances a women trained in certain martial arts could knock the block of an untrained man. However, physiologically, women are designed with less muscle and bone mass. So, they are at a physiological disadvantage. This should be a no-brainer: Why do you think in the sport world there are weight classes and divisions by sex and age? True that in a “real” street situation the female may be up against a 250 lb thug and likely lose. However, so may the 165 lb man. That’s the point that many men miss.

Interestingly, Wallace himself was a harsh critic of women in the martial arts. That is until Kathy Long beat the crap out her opponent. To his credit Wallace later apologized.

Wallace slammed women’s kickboxing as “a novelty,” referred to women’s matches as “not real fights,” and chided five-time champion Long for “not having knockout power.” But after the blond bombshell pummeled Kyoko Kamikaze last year at the World Martial Arts Challenge in Las Vegas, breaking the Japanese fighter’s ribs and bruising her kidneys, Wallace became a believer in Long’s skills. “She went out there and looked really good,” the gallant Wallace wrote in his monthly BlackBelt column before later apologizing to Long in person.

Long also laid out some guy who, after suffering from road rage, made the mistake of getting her to pull her car over on the side of the road. In fact, I myself have had my ribs cracked by a woman. So, don’t rule women out.

I bring this all up because recently one of our newer students joked that he tells his friends he gets beat up by a woman every week. The implication being that “he got beat up by a women.” Newsflash folks: That’s called male chauvinism. Needless to say, my instructor brought it to him during sparring that night. However, I don’t think he’s quite learned the lesson so I may have to talk to him.

Anyhow, based on working with some very smart women and also having trained with women over the years, I thought I’d offer up some personal observations and maybe dispel some of these stereotypes:

  • Martial arts training turns you into a Chuck Norris who can take on anyone in any situation and win. Too many women and men believe this one (and some are masters in their particular art). Regardless of how well a technique works in a martial arts class, having worked in prison taught me that no single technique is going to work in every situation. The important thing to remember is to mentally prepare for something to not work. In fact, plan on it. You need to have back up techniques and to be able to execute them without hesitation or thought.
  • Second to this is that most martial arts will teach you to avoid confrontation altogether; or, execute a technique and escape. In situations like these you don’t need to be Chuck Liddell and beat the person into the ground. In fact, if you are of lesser size and strength (man or woman!) you probably can’t anyhow. So escape and avoidance are your best options.
  • A female martial artist will be able to beat a man of the same weight. A few problems here. First, most in-shape female martial artists are going to weigh less than their male counterparts. Second, genetically males are designed with denser bone and more muscle. That’s not sexism. That’s scientific fact. So if they are of equal skill the woman is still at a disadvantage. Finally, even if the male is the same size or bigger and not trained in fighting, the martial arts woman is still at a disadvantage. The disadvantages are lessened because most good martial artists are taught strategies for dealing with larger and stronger opponents (then there are those exceptional women fighters like the above noted Ms. Long). This one I can relate to because I’m a small guy and I know that in certain situations I can be overpowered. However, I also know that given the right window of opportunity there are strategies that I can use to avoid this problem (or take the person out before they get me in a bad place).

To sum this up: Genetically women have less dense bone and less muscle mass. However, this should not be equated with being inferior to males. All it means is they are different.

~BCP

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  • Potatoe // 12/17/2007 at 6:00 PM

    Bob,

    I’m not sure this follows in the vein correctly, but we have kids in our class and over the years I’ve told many folks how I’ve been beaten up by children. The irony here is that their weight had nothing to do with their speed and skill which I did not possess in enough quantity. Truly I didn’t think about just dive tackling them. A point of weakness in my training I guess.

  • bpatterson67 // 12/17/2007 at 10:16 PM

    Insomuch as I’ve not met you in person, I’m guessing not. I guess the whole “woman” comment has certain stigmas attached to it. Honestly, I don’t think this kid is making those references purposely. I believe he really doesn’t know any better so I see an opportunity to educate him. Especially since he can’t figure out that his comment directly increases Sabum’s sparring lesson on him!

    ;-)

    ~BCP

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  • Meg // 09/29/2008 at 11:36 AM

    Thank goodness i’m not the only one who has recognized this trend! Just this last weekend at a seminar called the Gathering (hosted by Hanshi Bruce Juchnik) in Sacramento, i came upon my sensei while he was talking to another teacher. Then, right out of the blue this other teacher he was talking to automatically assumed that i took special women’s self defense classes. Just because i’m a woman!! This person had never seen me before, had no idea who i was, and there’s no way he could have known what my background is! My sensei (much to his credit) jumped to my defense and set him straight. Having been made to spar w/ full-grown men in my earlier years by my TKD instructor and having won many of the matches, this little “innocent” comment was a huge insult. Unfortunately for this other teacher, he automatically jumped to a conclusion about somebody, which can (also unfortunately) get you killed in a real fight. My rule of thumb is always overestimate people and you’ll never be in danger of making that mistake.

  • Bob Patterson // 09/30/2008 at 4:51 PM

    Wow Meg…

    I’m more concerned that you are going through my old posts. If you are not careful you may find the skeleton of Jimmy Hoffa.

    ;)

    On a serious note: If you understand physiological differences it not really a matter of which sex is tougher.

  • dal keith // 01/01/2009 at 7:31 PM

    are you people for real/im a 50 year old male and have never been beaten up by a woman/woman are not capable of beating men because thats the way god made it/dalbert t 1(917)972-1270

  • Bob Patterson // 01/02/2009 at 7:56 AM

    Keith –

    Thanks for that insightful comment.

    -BCP

  • Felicia // 02/13/2009 at 2:10 PM

    I’m a female martial artist and was just having this conversation a few days ago with one of my senseis. From my perspective, chauvinism is inherent in the dojo, just like it is in society. I’m 6′2″ and relatively muscular, but I know I can’t go toe-to-toe with a 6′2″ male training partner and come out on top. I can, however, evade and counter as best I can, so said fella knows he was in a fight. I’m looking to escape first and will prepare to do what I need to do to help me reach that end, but being a female karateka does not necessarily make you weak- just WEAKER than a guy going all out. That seems to be the point most everyone misses.

    But for me, the biggest chauvinistic displays come when training partners take it too easy on me (i.e. pulling a technique for fear that I’ll crumple like a piece of paper; wouldn’t do the same to a male with my rank, but…) or when the ego that erupts as I spar with someone of lower or equal rank and there are senior dans anywhere in the vicinity (causes them to fight like their lives are actually depending on it; seems nobody wants to get beaten by a girl, lol). Kinda goes against all the bushido I’ve gleaned, but…

    And by the way, Keith, I just turned 42 and will be testing for shodan in a few months. I think I could take you :-)

  • Bob Patterson // 02/13/2009 at 6:26 PM

    Hi Felicia –

    Thanks for posting. That’s a very old post and I’m almost hesitant to respond.

    However, I’ll say this much: My second sabum that helped complete my black belt training was a woman. The respect I have for her is immense.

    -BCP

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